Okay, I'll make you a deal conservatives. If you change who you are, what you stand for, your goals, intentions, beliefs, and tendencies, I'll vote for you. You speak about uniting the country; here's your chance. You've got ten seconds.
[In the meantime... The Agnostic's Creed...
I do not believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I do not believe in Jesus Christ, God's only Son, our Lord,
(a man may have existed but he was not the son of God any more than I am)
who was not conceived by the Holy Spirit,
or born of the Virgin Mary,
(in the days of old, people found it to be disgraceful to have bastard children, so the conception was "immaculate")
suffered under Pontius Pilate, (lots of people did, why not)
was crucified, died, or was buried; (again, lots of people were)
he descended to the dead (people die).
On the third day he did not rise again; (no comment)
he did not ascend into heaven, (the Church trying to scare people into donating, sadly successfully)
he is not seated at the right hand of the Father (lefties do it better),
and he will not come again to judge the living and the dead (this is a pipe dream created by the church to make people believe that they should give them money. For shame.)
I do not believe in the Holy Spirit, (I believe in my own conscience)
or the holy catholic church, (pedophilia)
or the communion of saints, (elitist)
perhaps the forgiveness of sins, (I believe in forgiveness)
or the resurrection of the body, (when you're gone from this world, you are gone for good)
and possibly the life everlasting (we'll see).
That was at least ten seconds. Have your response? No? Oh well, can't say I didn't try. Too bad, I guess you don't want to be bipartisan. Very well. I'll see you in 2008.
3 comments:
Sounds to me like youre confusing conservative with Christiants and/or "religious people."
"I do not believe in Jesus Christ, God's only Son, our Lord,
(a man may have existed but he was not the son of God any more than I am)"
oh, but you are a son of God whether you believe it or not. The unexplainable is evidence of God's existance.
"who was not conceived by the Holy Spirit,
or born of the Virgin Mary,
(in the days of old, people found it to be disgraceful to have bastard children, so the conception was "immaculate")"
Mary and Joseph werent exactly public figures...a crossmaker carpenter and his teen bride. I doubt disgrace was what they were worried about since poor Joe was already the most hated man in town since he made crosses to help the Romans.
"suffered under Pontius Pilate, (lots of people did, why not)
was crucified, died, or was buried; (again, lots of people were)"
yeah...so in case you didnt notice most people were tied to crosses, not nailed through the wrists and feet, which contain major nerve bundles, causing probably the most excruciating pain possible. check that with your medical textbook. and he wasnt buried, so much as put in a tomb and guarded by soldiers, which wasnt your typical burial for a poor carpenter following in his fathers footsteps to nowhere.
"he descended to the dead (people die).
On the third day he did not rise again; (no comment)
he did not ascend into heaven, (the Church trying to scare people into donating, sadly successfully)"
The ascension isnt exactly provable or disprovable by you, so pretending like you know, really is nothing more than just pretending...oh wait, were you there? and jesus' divinity has nothing to do with scaring people...but yes, churches do try and scare people...non-Christian churches with false faces.
"he is not seated at the right hand of the Father (lefties do it better),
and he will not come again to judge the living and the dead (this is a pipe dream created by the church to make people believe that they should give them money. For shame.)"
what about a non-literal judgment? some people call it a conscience, or self judgement. what about a metaphorical coming...to each person individually? is it ok to disbelieve literallity while later assuming other points are literal to continue your support?
"I do not believe in the Holy Spirit, (I believe in my own conscience)
or the holy catholic church, (pedophilia)
or the communion of saints, (elitist)
perhaps the forgiveness of sins, (I believe in forgiveness)
or the resurrection of the body, (when you're gone from this world, you are gone for good)
and possibly the life everlasting (we'll see)."
you sound like another poser disbeliever who hasnt done any substantial research? or have you? more research than the author of "Case for Christ?" compare yours with his and get back to me.
Let us see...
Whether or not I'm a son of God is a non-factor. I was merely saying that I belive that Jesus was not any more a son of God than I was.
Second, if we are going to go this route... It would have been a disgrace for anyone regardless of rank in society to have a child out of wedlock. They would be shunned by society, by the Church, etc. More importantly however, they would be a disgrace to themselves, especially for a devout religious type, and even more so for a young woman.
Then, I said that numerous people were crucified, it was sort of a hobby for the Romans, if you pardon my over-simplification. Furthermore, please refer to that medical textbook, or perhaps any qualified doctor, nail will not hold a human body by the hands, or wrists, or whatever. You would simply weight too much. Perhaps they both nailed and tied this person, I don't know, it's sort of a non-factor really. I just find it funny that more than a half dozen parishes claim to have these nails, far more nails than actually were supposedly used.
There is also no way to prove that he ascended into Heaven, or anywhere for that matter. I'd rather sit comfortable with the more likely solution, that no man has ever defied gravity, but that's just me. I've seen gravity work my entire life, and see no reason why it would stop.
One can choose to believe in a methaphorical coming, then again, this has nothing to do with Jesus. It is a part of growing up, realizing who you are, what you believe, why you do what you do. Only the naive would believe that a "God" would favor one person over another just because they are not Christian. Ghandi wasn't Christian. As far as I'm concerned, he is one of the top five figures in the Industrial Age. He promoted peace and equality. Why would God not like that? Furthermore, the Church does scare people into commitment. They brandish hell like a weapon to take your money. No other religion is right. The key to salvation is through the Church. Perhaps you should read St. Thomas Aquinas.
As for comparing mine with Case for Christ, I will get back to you. And, by the way, the above is a negative version of the Apostle's Creed, if you didn't know. So, if you have a problem with being "buried" or such terminology, it is the Catholic Church that you should direct your questioning to. In addition, I was not confusing conservatives with religious types. I was trying to annoy religious conservatives, excluding non-religious conservatives and religious liberals at this point in time. The article's point was to annoy and provoke response. And it has. Thank-you.
"The Case for Christ" is it? Usually I make a point not to read politcally driven books, but if I can get my hands on a copy, I'll point out how I disagree with it. So far as I've seen in reviews, I'm betting a lot. But, if I get a chance to, I will certainly write an entry about it at a later date, hopefully sometime this month (the next 30 days).
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